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He found dozens of made-up articles about Mrs. Clinton kidnapping, molesting and trafficking children in the restaurant’s back rooms. The articles appeared on Facebook and on websites such as The New Nationalist and The Vigilant Citizen, with one headline blaring: “Pizzagate: How 4Chan Uncovered the Sick World of Washington’s Occult Elite.”
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The claim that Hillary Clinton is molesting children in the back rooms of the restaurant has never been made by Pizzagate. Even the article they reference doesn't make that claim. In fact, the article concludes about Alefantis: "They publicly celebrate a specific culture of death, abuse, and dehumanizations through their art and events, leaving us only to speculate what they do behind closed doors."
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While Mr. Alefantis has some prominent Democratic friends in Washington and was a supporter of Mrs. Clinton, he has never met her, does not sell or abuse children, and is not being investigated by law enforcement for any of these claims.
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Alefantis having some prominent Democratic friends is an understatement. Simply calling him a Clinton supporter is an understatement as well. As a restaurant owner, Alefantis is listed as the 49th most influential person in Washington DC with big ties to Hillary Clinton and powerful Washington figures. Although there is no photo proof of Alefantis and Hillary meeting, they are very closely connected. It's unlikely that they've never met.
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Hillary sent Alefantis a personal letter in 2008 he posted on his Instagram
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<a href="http://search04.fec.gov/vivisimo/cgi-bin/query-meta?input-form=advanced-fec&amp;query=Alefantis&amp;v%3Asources=Administrative_Fine&amp;v%3Asources=Advisory_Opinion&amp;v%3Asources=Alternative_Dispute_Resolution&amp;v%3Asources=Audit_Reports&amp;v%3Asources=Matters_Under_Review&amp;v%3Asources=Matters_Under_Review_Archived&amp;v%3Asources=Rulemaster&amp;v%3Asources=Candidate_Summary&amp;v%3Asources=Committee_Summary&amp;v%3Asources=fec.gov&amp;v%3Asources=Disbursements&amp;v%3Asources=Receipts&amp;v%3Asources=Other.Transactions&amp;v%3Aproject=fec_search_02_prj">
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The Clinton Campaign and pro Clinton PACS have made payments to Alefantis
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Alefantis is the a chef for prominent Hillary Clinton fundraisers at Tony Podesta's house
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Alefantis had a romantic relationship with David Brock who was the former director of CTR and founder of Media Matters for America. David Brock has a long history with Hillary Clinton
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[Hillary Clinton visits Terasol Bistro which is literally across Comet Ping Pong yet she doesn't visit one her biggest fundraisers/supporters (Alefantis)?]
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(http://www.terasolartisans.com/default.html)
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Mr. Alefantis suspects those relationships may have helped to make him a target. “I’ve done nothing for days but try to clean this up and protect my staff and friends from being terrorized,” he said.
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Alefantis believes it's his relationships to powerful figures that have got him involved in Pizzagate. This is inaccurate. Comet Pizza is implicated in Pizzagate for many other reasons:
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The Washington Post has run a story revealing that Comet Ping Pong has been accused by a Washington Neighborhood Commissioner of being a "haven for rape and murder"
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Despite it's claim to be "family friendly" the restaurant has a number of disturbing sexual references inside and James Alefantis makes a number of references to pedophelia both overtly and implicitly online.
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A photo showing the inside of Comet Ping Pong where graffiti saying “shut up N fuck” and “Amen” are clearly visible
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He posted an image of a little girl taped down to a table in Comet Ping Pong
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He joked about purchasing infants
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He posts a photo of an “art” piece which appears to show a man vaginally penetrating a female
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Alefantis posted a photo of a man with a yellow bead necklace around the head of a young boy. Yellow sex bracelets can imply analingus, and the hashtag #chickenlovers in the instagram can imply a pedophile reference to adult men who are attracted to underage boys:
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Pizza 69
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Gay love pizza
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Pizza covering models Vagina
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The companies nearby Comet Pizza, Terasol Bistro and Besta pizza had FBI pedophile symbols as logos
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Note of significance: Besta Pizza has now changed its logo online and Terasol has removed its logo from its website. What are the chances two restaurants next door to each other both had "accidentally" used pedophile symbols in their logos that required changing once brought to light by Pizzagate?
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That idea jumped to other social media services such as Twitter and Reddit, where it gained momentum on the page “The_Donald.” A new Reddit discussion thread called “Pizzagate” quickly attracted 20,000 subscribers.
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Glen Caplin, a former campaign official for Mrs. Clinton, did not comment directly about Comet Ping Pong but said, “WikiLeaks has spawned several conspiracy theories that have been independently debunked.” Mr. Podesta did not respond to requests for comment.
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Laura Silsby was caught trafficking 33 children out of Haiti. Hillary aided her and the lawyer who got her off was a pedophile. Beyond this, Wikileaks has made no mention of trafficking or Pizzagate.
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Musicians who have performed at Comet Ping Pong have been pulled in, too. Amanda Kleinman, whose band, Heavy Breathing, has performed there several times, deleted her Twitter account after the abusive comments became overwhelming. Similar comments have flooded her YouTube music clips.
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Is this kind of website normal to be linked to a family friendly pizza place? I get the feeling once most people look into Heavy Breathing they won't have much sympathy for Amanda Klienman.
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I do not condone threatening anyone. Pizzagate is far and beyond Comet Ping Pong and Alefantis. James Alefantis, his friends, the bands that play in comet, and the Podesta have a very "dark" taste in art. Nowhere in the article does it mention or refute:
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has it only been 2 weeks? damn feels so long man. time perception warps when you're living a world of staying up to 3am investigating this shit daily then going to work 9-10pm then coming back for more all whilst dreading of the sort of life ones future children might have if this doesn't result in the bring down of this evil.
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